Category: Getting to Know You
Hello all,
I'm relatively new to the zone (j/k) but I may as well be huh?! OK, I do not read every single board post - I will admit, but why is everyone picking on Goblin so much? OK so his opinions differ from most here, it seems, but isn't he still entitled to have one?
Maybe I'm going crazy but I've read some very good points he has had! I just am unsure really why everyone is being so quick to attack him?
I mean, I look at the board posts lately and he is doing nothing but stating his opinion and by the time the topic gets old, Goblin is being personally attacked, and most of the time, it has nothing to do with his original post.
Maybe some of you have delt with him in the past somewhere but then do you think it's exactly fair to bring it here? and further want to critisize, only hearing the past second hand?
I admit, there's been a couple of board posts out of line "give us a break Caitlin" being a typical example and Goblin should feel ashamed by starting that one. but otherwise, I am totally clueless here.
I may have missed a topic where he talks about his kids, or where he's been accused of lying I don't know! but it's really not worth all these attacks, is it?
And as we've stated before, wouldn't it seem wiser to ignore his posts rather then attack and fight all the time?
seriously I'm not having a go? I am genuwinly confused here.
Cheers! :)
Thank you, rdfreak. I totally agree, and have been wanting to say something on that but didn't say anything because I didn't want to be in the middle of everything.
But yes, it is sad how many people are picking on Goblin. I know his posts have made people angry, as from what I read, he can get offended easily.
But do y'all really think that rubbing it in by constantly bringing up his past and past posts, or making a topic specifically meant to put him down, is going
to help anything? Yes, it may seem amusing to readers and some might stop to comment, but it's just not cool to make comments specifically to hurt a person. I know he's accused people of turning on him (and I can't agree or disagree on that as I don't know why he would've felt like that, like on Epals for instance), but I honestly wouldn't blame him for getting angry after he's read all the stuff that's been going on lately. Yeah, he's made a topic
about a fellow Zoner, but I don't believe he kept picking on her afterward as I've seen with recent posts about him. If y'all don't like him so much or y'all
and he can't get along, pleas just read (or ignore) his posts and don't let his comments get to you if they do. He and I have had a tiny disagreement
about a post I've made as well, but after I clarified that it was only my opinion, I can and do still hold that opinion and he hasn't went at me, even though I have expressed it here several times. Sometimes he makes comments that I think aren't fair (such as generalizing about certain people), but I'm not going to go at him for that because I know that's just an opinion of his. If I do disagree with something of his and feel the need to comment, I'll think about what I write and express why I disagree, but I won't personally say anything against him because our beliefs happen to be different.
Also, I think it's cool that CG has chosen and still chooses to forgive him and at least tries to get along with him, even though he clearly may not like her for whatever reason. I wouldn't call that sucking up, it shows that she's strong enough to not let things get to her. I know most of y'all who either don't like Goblin or whatever, are probably thinking, "Why shouldn't we speak our minds, after he's said things to hurt us/our friends" (or whatever reason you might have for posting/contributing to posts about him. But if you want this place to be a pleasant place to be at, sometimes you have to either keep opinions to yourselves if you know they're just meant to put someone down, or if you have a differing opinion, express it without being personal. I'm not meaning to tell people what to do, but I really think these are good tips for anyone who has a problem with each other.
Leilani
well said L! :)
Hi Leilani – You are correct, there has been no sucking up. The comments that continued on that Post you are hinting at I felt well, that the Topic heading said it all, Why believe her? I made my case and I felt no further need to go on in pointless meaningless chatter. It has not been a matter of forgiveness rather of learning. What gets me is that because Alex has talked to me in the way at times that has gotten others aroused, they think well if that were me I would do such and such and because my personal response is not the one they have they then take on a battle that isn’t theirs and attempt to make it their own and many times to use it as fuel for their own hate filled bickering lives of having apparently nothing else/better to do. If the way to become “popular” on this site is to on purpose make jesting in song of others then by all means count me out. Have folks no better way to occupy their time? I am not here to win at a popularity contest. I am here to learn. Leaning takes on many forms. I can liken learning to the bittersweet vine that grows in my back yard. In life there is a need to take the bitter with the sweet, to realize that the hand that gives the rose has too felt the thorns that are contained. I think some of those of this site desire only the rose without the reality of the thorns… and then later miss out on the fragrance due to the nursing of the pricks of the thorns…. There is a need to STOP nursing and catering to the pricks by endless chatter and rather get onto the beauty in the fullness of deeper conversation. Connie
Well, I personally do not agree with topics posted against him specifically and I have not contributed to such topics (the one time I did I stated clearly that I would do so simply because I would agree with criticizing anyone with the behavior he displayed) I do not agree with posting toics specifically against one user of the Zone and I stick to that policy.
However there have been disagreements over simple things e.g. he accuses everyone of being two faced and in the same board post he criticizes us "eejets" which I take to mean "idiots" for lacking simpathy for the mentally challenged and has a go at those lame selfish and discusting obease people. I feel it's only fair to point the out the inconsistency there and, yes, the arguments have gotten too personal at this stage and that's not good for the boards in general so I feel I've spoken my peace and do not really wish to persue arguments any further but if someone posts an opinion that I feel is way out of line I will respond to it no matter who it is or what the opinion is, after all if no one disagreed there would be no point in message boards. And, yes, actually some of goblin's opinions, though a bit out of the ordinary I have agreed with and said so whenthat has been the case, but given his response to anyone that disagrees with him (i.e. attack them personally) it's hard not to let such discussion
get personal. That's how it is. I've never offended him personally except once yesterday when very much provoked so I feel no need to appologize but at the same time I think it's time to open the boards to some more constructive discussions since trading personal insults is not very productive nor a good ad for the site.
So, here's to a more peaceful boards.
cheers
-B
Rd thankyou its about time some brave soul stuck their head above the parapet, and asked why..I'll tell you the childish individuals involved in the attacks, see it as a way of amusing themselves here, let's pick on Alex he's always a good sport..and don't believe a word Wildebrew says because he spouted the same nonsense not so long ago before this latest attack,so his promises are worthless..yes I have strong opinions I was brought up to speak my mind and see nothing wrong with doing just that..there is far too much of this I don't want to offend, please love me, I'm needing to feel loved ect, on the net why can't these daft numptys cut the crap and admit how they feel..
.. exactly, see what I mean about turning comments into personal attacks .. thank you goblin for proving my point, no need for further commenting.
Thanks
-B
it's the truth obviously that you are a stranger to it...now can we please move on....
Hehe, ever the man of last words is he, I didn't realize things had to be proven twice but, certainly, move on we shall.
I'll believe that when I see it, there is more chance of Ferrari winning and they have shown no sign of doing so as of yet...
oy! that last comment really didn't need to be said! I realize you must be angry but really, some things need to be thought not said to throw more fuel in the fire!
Someone needs fuel to fire up a Great Racing Team....?? well, that’s a different story! Say my Pal, the One, the Great, The Ausie Kickin Kanga.... hmmmm that phrase has quite a sound to it. **GRIN** Yes, Ausie Kickin Kanga such metal crunching revvvving up that can be heard as the Racing Team has been fueled up.... ViCtOrY ahead.... Zzzoooooooooooooooooooooom!
Well I don't like picking on anyone but if I see that people are putting others down because of their topics, then I can not understand it and then I'm willing to be straight and say what I think. And, I don't agree with you if you say we shouldn't pick on him. I'm sorry if I make myself unpopular now but, I feel it has to be said.
It's amazing how your perspective changes when you don't have Internet access and stop reading these boards for four months. So here's my challenge to you: stop reading the boards for four months, then come back and re-read this thread. Then tell me what you think of it.
um, exactly the same cos we all know that Goblin has been made the victom here un-necessarily! but it's a good challenge otherwise! Lol CG you rock rock girl! :) that's funny! :)
hmm maybe not... but I did warn you and the evidence of numerous broken promises,is there in black and white
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So Insele you are willing to up the ante and carry on with the insults, provocation and back stabbing,that's no great surprise...
*yawns*
Give the goblin immunity from criticism and let him put everyone on the boards down, that's what he wants, sure let him have it.
Some people don't understand the difference between lack of personal attacks and criticizing comments or views, really too bad. But I truly can't be bothered with this as anyone that actually would care (and I'd recommend a thousand better things to do with one's time) can read through the boards and see for him or herself whether the goblin joke topics werre warranted and whether his comments on topics like ines's latest topic (about her past problems) are not a tad bit insensitive, especially given that he was seeking sympathy for exactly the same thing in an earlier post.
But, like I said, one has a lot of better things to do with one's time and people are free to take their own views but again, anyone is free to post anything on the boards, none of the community leaders has found a reason to remove a post or topic here and it's really their judgement whether something is inappropriate or not, let them run the site as they see fit.
Cheers
-B
Insensitive huh! The pot yells at the kettle loud enough to waken the dead I will not crawl to someone who has shown herself to be a colossal hypocrit.I tell it as I see it, if you can't handle my candour dont read the feckin post...
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The same thing? no I have never felt the urge to thump myself, even in the middle of a huge breakdown..people who injure themselves have a chronic lack of self esteem,a poor self image, and are nearly always emotionally disturbed....please do some research before you diagnose me as there is far too much misdiagnosis in psychiatry as it is...
goblins posts to this topic alone hold the answer to your question rd
no i'm sorry, i simply can't agree with the view that goblin is always the victim here. read his very last post for example, without any provication from ines at all he deemed it necessary to call her a "colossal hypocrit". his words nobody elses. he then can have no complaint when others attack him. that's just how it goes! do un to others etc etc!
i have only started reading these boards farely recently and yet almost everywhere i look i come across topics where goblin seems to be on one side of the divide and everybody else on the other! when you get a recurring trend such as that would it not be prudent of goblin to ask himself why this is instead of constantly sniping at all around him?
this will never happen though so don't expect the boards to quiet down any! just put on your hard hats and dive in!
Yes because I have freedom of mind it's a precious thing also when someone you could previously talk to and joke with, suddenly turns on you and joins the abusive in crowd to be popular, how else would you be expected to react hmmm welcome them with open arms and say all is forgiven I think not...and as you look around the boards you will notice countlessdx instances where I have been consistently abused calleda liar and so on its a bit one sided and hypocritical this Goblin is solely to blame,but we'er all spotlessly squeaky clean...think about that ...
Harp, might be prudent of you to consider first what it is you are diving into.... Again, what is it with this choosing sides by how many are on a particular side of the divide as you call it??? Being on a “popular” side does NOT equate to being right just as being on an “unpopular” side does not equate to being wrong. There is a need to hold to one’s values whether if it means standing alone or having others stand with you. To be enabled to consider all the various viewpoints and choose a course of direction free from the influence of those who seek popularity would be a prudent course to follow after.... To come to know thyself.
Why oh why does everyone forget the way that Goblin turned on SB and made rude and intrusive comments regarding her relationship with her son about which he knows NOTHING. He has 'turned on' more 'friends' than I could possibly list here, thrown more personal insults than I could list... has no one here read his posts!?
i feel i should just clear something up here! as usual it would seem that people are up too that olde trick of reading more into ones words than were there. for example, at no point in my post did i say that goblin was always wrong and that everybody else was always right. what i said was would it not be prudent of goblin to ask himself why he seems to always stand alone while all others seem to be of a like mind! of course his, in my opinion, ludicrous answer for this anomaly is that everybody else is just agreeing with each other for the purposes of popularity and not for the real reason, which is that most everybody else actuallly disagrees with what he is saying!
as for considering what i am diving into well all i can say is this. i read something. sometimes i have an opinion on it and sometimes i don't. if i do and i can be bothered to formulate a response then i do! that's all the prudency i need.
Ok, diverting slightly from the topic here, but one thing intreagues me slightly. If everyone is so against goblin, if he always stands alone and all the other users are out to get him, and more to the point, if everyone on here annoys him so much with their attitude and their apparent lack of ability to handle the truth, why does he insist on keep coming on to this site! And before anyone tries to imply that I’m suggesting he doesn’t, I’m not, but if any of you were treated as badly as goblin says he is, wouldn’t you just leave? After all it’s only a website, and it’s not as if goblin comes here to communicate with friends, he doesn’t participate in quicknote discussions, has quicknotes turned off in fact, I can’t comment as to whether he plays the games but he generally only logs in for a time to post to the boards, if his time here is so terrible, why would he not just look for another website where people would accept him for the person he is.
and just to clarify, I would wonder the same about any user who claimed that all they ever encountered on the site was personal attacks and abuce from every angle. after all, no one has to tolerate being abused if they don't want to, they could leave, there is no need to keep coming back for more.
.... “all the others seem to be of a like mind.” NO! Definitely count me out of that statement. When it comes to the ones that I personally consider who blatantly sling the mud what with their twisted lyrics to songs or seek to come from a place of Management with their Basic Rules of The Zone, when all this is nothing more than a ploy to get rave reviews of others, to have others join in on a bandwagon of popularity then I for one want no part of it. My thots are that this kind of a following after those will have one diving head first into the quicksand of hypocrisy at it’s worst..................... and there are those of us who do in fact accept Alex for the person he is as well as takes in an Adventure of a Dragon or two over in Writer’s Block........................................
I'm not one of "all the others either." *smiles* I don't see why I should waste my time getting angry over one person, paying him back for past or present things, etc.
Leilani
See RDFreak what comments he writes on here. And then I shouldn#t criticize it? I can#t understand it.
guys, you missed my point! I was genuinly confused as I said I don't read all the board posts, especially for a while back there as I didn't come on to the zone at all! I can see where both sides have provoked and attacked. but in deffense of SB, (again I didn't read the mentioned post) but at any rate, speaking/critisizing of someone's parenting is totally disgusting, especially when they don't even know the person! and it's not on! We should all get some facts before we kindly decide to post "constructive"?? critissism. Thanks you!
Well I agree with not attacking him personally but we should at least let him know what we think about him attacking us personally.
Well, rdfreak maybe for you SHOULD have read the posts and formed a well-informed opinion BEFORE posting this topic. Obviously, in your naive ignorance you provoked yet another fired debate which was EXACTLY what you DIDN'T want to have... (NO, I am not calling rdfreak neither naive nor ignorant. Just her action was naive and ignorant. Just to clarify!) This is how agruments become wars from remarks that are not based on facts or on well researched issues. Star
Star, I was, a matter of fact, referring to goblin's cheap shots and SB, not you guys really. I mean if in fact Goblin has been talking about SB in the way I heard about with the parenting issue that's wrong of him, and he needed to get his facts on matters before he goes off on the boards.
I agree with Star. You could have read the boards more to inform yourself of how sarcastic, insensitive, pompous, oppininated, (he's right and that's that) his posts are. But I don't blame you. I just want you to understand that Goblin has put too many of us down because of his insensitive comments. He should learn to take his own medicine without complaints because we have taken his talk long enough. The way I see it, Goblin only looks at one perspective of the situation and replies to their post without trying to understand why the person does and feels the way they do. Should he be the only one allowed to state how he feels and what he thinks? No I don't think so. Also, we are not all ganging up on you, Goblin. There is really no popularity train chugging around picking up zoners. But if you just take some time to understand the people behind the posts, I am sure they will do the same for you. However, if you just get angry and tell them all to F. off, you'd better be willing to take the same from them without complaining!!! Hope all goes well for you!!! Peace!!!
*sexy*
I agree too.
I do find it a little entertaining, almost telling one might say, that the only person to defend him so stonchly, CG, is on his ignore list (according to the ignore list on the site).
RD, in fact I used to appreciate goblin's posts and views, though sometimes a bit extreme, but after his unwarranted attacks on SugarBaby on, in fact, was trying to give him advice about a problem he posted (a stalker, well friend turned stalker whom he reported to his professor, turned friend again) he not only called her a bad parent and wished her to live in lonelyness and abandonment but even said her ex husband had been lucky to escape when he did .. all three insults completely over the top and downright mean and never has he appologized for this, add this to the caitlin comments, the ines comments and numerous others, if you deal out offenses for whatever purpose do not expect popularity understanding or friends. That being said I agree with you that the boards should not be consumed with this insult throwing, unfortunately his understanding of the word truce apparently was that we promised to never comment on any of his extreme views and he would have freedom to offend whomever he liked without us posting a contrary view point or a comment in that person's defense. There was no promise to begin with, only statement of intent and indeed as his posts got more irrational and I posted a typical response to such a view, as I would have done no matter who posted that, he has ranted on about how I am a liar, hypocrite etc .. and never has he tried to back up his views, which is not to be expected.
But, enough of this, I think, again, reading the boards will be the best way to judge whose side is right (or more often right) and who is wrong and ultimately it doesn't matter.
It's not a personal campaign as much as he claims it to be but if someone posts views that are radically different from mine or offends people and makes hurtful comments without any provokation (or at least responds disproportionately to such provokations) I will continue to point that out if I feel that necessary, no matter what. It's my right to voice my opinions on the boards and I will not give that up, while keeping in mind how tiresome such arguments get.
Cheers
-B
Maybe because I have seen first hand what “popularity” groups have been enabled to do in a past on Boards (E2E) is why I am so stonch as you put it Wildebrew. Whether a person agrees or disagrees with Alex is to me not the question. Whether anyone considers Alex to be right or wrong to me is not what is of the discussion that I have going on in my thots…. Alex brought with him some of the best discussions and heated debates on say political issues that E2E had ever known and when he was banned I saw firsthand the life removed from that set of Boards. Anyone at all may hate being confronted by Alex but again I will say it as on past Posts here at The Zone, Alex does provoke me to deep thinking. Deep thinking does not mean I agree with him or anyone else for that matter that provokes deep thinking here on these Boards for Wildebrew you too provoke persons to think beyond the surface. Yes, there is a need for persons to be enabled to stand on their own. I never said Alex and I stood together in unifying thots for we haven’t and Yes, I accept Alex for the person he is. This joining in with “back at you mud slingers,” NO Thank You. Connie
cg
I understand where you are coming from on this and, yes, some of the topics and discussions and views provided or created by Alex have been interesting and he's someone who is not afraid of holding unconventional views on things. There's nothing wrong with that, what would be the point of discussion boards if everyone agreed and no one was willng to express an independent opinion. However when that breaks down into personal insults rather than constructive discussions that's when I cannot accept that it's a part of the persons personality, it's a very immature way to respond to disagreements. And that's whre I cannot accept Alex (or anyone else for that matter who behaves similarly) and will criticize his actions. I think creating topics devoted against him is a bit extreme and I choose not to part take in those as I feel they are too personal attack in nature and even if most of what is said in them is based on some actions that mmerit a comment I can't really see how any one person should be singled out for such topics. However, free will prevails and if this is what peole want to do I don't have a problem with it, especially seeing as those who posted those topics were insulted personally multiple times. So as long as dicussions and views expressed here are discussed and even argued over on their own basis and not turned into personal attacks I will not complain about any views really. And, as such, you are of course free to hold your own views on what is going on on these boards.
Cheers and happy summer to you
-B
I refuse to leave because I will not give those who were daft enough to answer Star's very ignorant and purile post, about the site rules what they want..I am well aware that these creatures would love nothing more than my departure, however, I want! from that bunch will fail to get them anywhere ...they are beneath contempt.....
And as for the insults levelled at SB have you lot completely closed your minds to the crap she has posted on here concerning me hmmm? yes it would seem so..you choose to hear and read what you want and its certainly NOT the truth........
And Sexy I understand these people very well I see far more than most people,maybe that's the problem....
yawn, it's a shame interesting topics never get this big anymore....
.. again, read the boards and draw your own conclusions.
Ok, as we’re trying to justify behaviours here let’s look at the facts shall we. If you look at the topics, “the drama is over?” “observations about the pope’s death and related events”, and “if you don’t like it …”, thos are the three main topics where gobin and myself have had major disagreements. By all means tell me if I have said something in any of those topics which provoked the kinds of personal insults he threw at me, but just to redress the balance, by all means have a look at “can we help?”, and “lost the heid!”. Because I will admit that in those topics, in the one I pointed out that goblin was a hipocrit for demanding users be excluded when he himself had been excluded from a site, and suggested he send his ramblings to a soap script writer so they could turn it into the “non reality that it appears to be”. Those were, and still are my opinions, I have never, in so many words, called goblin a lier, but yes I have implied that I believe the life goblin depicts on this site to be fictitious. When someone posts so much inconsistent information about themselves, it is natural that people might have doubts about the person they claim to be. No one has to justify their actions to anyone on here, everyone has the right to form their own opinions of a particular user, be that opinion founded or otherwise.
Indeed there are faults on both sides but where I am willing to move on, there are others, who refuse to.
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They inflame the arguments with childish comments about my post's repeating, it's server trouble which I can do feck all about, and the comments regarding this, are purile and needless in the extreme....plus there are others who for reasons I have previously mentioned, post to me, when I have absolutely no desire to speak with them..why do they bother ,are they suffering from a delusion that I may one day forgive their past behaviour and say I forgive your self hatred imaturity and boring unimaginative nonsense we can be friends again...not a cat in hell's chance!...these people know who they are, but they will choose to ignore that fact as I choose to ignore them..
yes I once referred to goblin's multiple replies to a topic - whilst I appreciate that some have problems with the page refreshing and that multiple posts do happen this way, on this particular occasion the reply was posted three times, each time within ten minutes of each other, and goblin had posted another topic in the meantime, so, for one who sees fit to accuse others of playing childish games ...
As I said childish and needless as for the inconsistencies I can't believe you are dragging that up again..for someone who claims to be no longer interested in that topic, you certainly reguritate it far more often than the average bulimic teenager who regularly vomits up her dinner.
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However and as I have already pointed out I have certain health issues which require medication,this medication had the effect of spangling my mind and I was regularly confused and out the game...Thankfully now the meds to blame, have been changed and I am now regaining more of my former sharpness, which is a huge relief...
Know what Goblin?
I forgive your self hatred immaturity and boring unimaginative nonsense but even so I do not want to be 'friends' again. I post to your posts purely for entertainment value as it is sooo much fun winding you up, so don't flatter yourself honey, I have enough real friends in the real world thanks.
Now that Freya has logged on “Hi Cappuccino Drinking Buddy.” I realized that you were not banned but left of your own accord at E2E though you return from time to time. As you for the most part have left so too with you went a liveliness and a spunk.. We may not always have agreed with each other but I am grateful that we found some places that we were given to share in conversation... and certainly Cappuccino’s... *smile* Too, I am grateful for talking out of apologies one with the other in private with the choosing of not holding grudges, etc when at a time that could have been. Demand for apologies was never made but understanding we came to share in. I know I am “off topic” and to Rdfreak, this Topoic Post's originator, “sorry, but this does seem to be a clearing of the air... patience I ask of thee.” Anyhow, Freya, I know you too are one controversial in your thots as far as the way of thinking of a vast many in some regards. You can both give out as well as take the heat in discussions and too I have learned from you on levels not learned with others. We haven’t always agreed and yet we have been given to be enabled to share thots and without the slinging of personal attacks. “Thanks... true it is at the Cyber-Space Café that the Cappuccinos have been served up... yet still they’ve never tasted better with anyone else.” Connie
Connie you do come out with the nicest things sometimes...
and cheers to you, I will raise my cup with you anytime in the cyber cafe by the lake.
Care for a slice of cherry pie hmmmm? Jx
well well well.... so, if we go back to the original reason for this topic, I ask you. When gobline makes himself a new account, with the username as, SugarBabyIsAFuckingHyp, doesn't that suggest to you all that he has problems? And, the funniest part is, he can't deny it, because the community leaders know it was him for definite! So, for someone who is so above "CHILDISH BEHAVIOUR," isn't this behaviour slightly unusual? hmm?
i expect that'll be his meds fault again! don't blame the poor little man! I for one know that he'd never do anything like that! he is goblin and would never stoop to such childish levels! the rest of us would be! but he? never! i simply can't believe it! hmm hmm hmm, very special!
Jx, Did you say Cherry pie?? Why that is a favorite of mine. ThankYou, Yes. Not to change the subject too much but my isn't the breeze that is coming off the lake so refreshing... Connie
why don't we all come, form a circle round the lake? feed our pie crusts to the ducks (if they can stand all this lovely chatter) and ya know .. really bond with each other like adults that we all are! that includes Goblin, everyone! ring-a-ring-a-rosey is what I say?!
Oh and btw people's is it a crime to confess that I don't read all the board posts and don't see all the spam names that get on here? if this is true about the name that mentioned SB, that is absolutely disgusting and that alone deserves an apology.
you see one and all, I'm on no sides here. I purely asked the question because I didn't know the full answer. I think I one has rights to know such things.
now I'm out. Cheers and thanks for your .. ahem .. co-operation.
See I would not mind Goblin criticizing, but, the way he chooses his words, I think it's really disgusting and not criticizing, but totally attacking.
wow a username devoted to me - I'm touched that someone would take the time to do that! grin.
Seriously though, anyone who stoops to that level cannot claim to be mature, inteligent or in fact even well-educated. in fact I would go so far as to say that such a person is on the same levels as our friend the zonefucker, if in fact it is not the same person.
Lol go SB! your own name! wow! Lol hahahaha j/k course :)
oh i know what more could I hope for! most people would like to have a hospital wing named after them, perhaps someone's child, maybe a chocolate bar or some such thing, but me? i get ... grin
Rd I wouldn't lower myself to bond with such 2 faced eejits, CG has more faces than your average impressionist..when will you wake up and realise what is right in front of you eh?
lol noblin! imagine accusing others of being 2 faced when you actually set up duplicate accounts just to slag people off! at this point i'm not even sure if i find you so hypocritical that its funny! or so pitiful that its sad! then again maybe both!
right, cg has done nothing but stick up for goblin, and all he can do is slag her off. furthermore, goblin last night created a duplicate account on here with my name and some very offensive language thereafter, and logged into the site to send me a private message, which i will send to whoever would like to read it and yu can judge for yourselves whether you think that goblin was the author of it. furthermore, another user on this site who runs their own site, logged in earlier to ask if I was a member of their site, because goblin last night created two accounts on there and flooded their message boards with offensive material about myself and others, he has now been banned from that site, which means he has been banned from two sites which we know of for his offensive postings. Personally I could care less whether goblin hates me or not. to me he is just a name on a website and nothing more, and actually i found his little episode of last night quite amusing. it is sad that someone who has the nerve to sit and ask users whether they have nothing better to do with their time, can sit and create multiple accounts, on multiple websites, purely for the purposes of annoyance. If those of you that feel goblin has been made a victim wish to continue to think so, that is of course your perogative. I actually agree with some comments CG has made in the past that goblin has provoked very inteligent discussion in the past, however I feel that goblin's attitude has overshadowed his ability to make inteligent discussion any more, and, quite frankly, I think the site could do without it.
Alex you remind me of a neighbor of mine back in the days when I lived in an apartment. The one living closest to me had a little daughter and in the unit next to her lived a couple with two daughters. Next to her was a lady with 2 grown sons while my husband and I had our 2 young sons, about the ages of the daughters here listed that were between the ages of 4-8 years. Now these little neighbor gals had some sort of a falling out and the mothers were at each other’s throats bickering and fussing all the time. Now it was that both myself and the neighbor with the grown sons who was on speaking terms with both these mothers as well as each other. The two Moms with the daughters were upset that us two other neighbors refused to talk with the other Mother of a daughter/s. Both of us Moms with sons talked and later got with the Mom’s of the daughters and said, Yes, we understand there are difficulties between you two but over the years we have gotten to where we appreciate both of you so we want to be kept out of knowing or in participating with you when it comes to your quarrels with each other. Alex, Freya and I might not agree with how each of us is presenting ourselves with you here and you know when it comes to her and I this is NOT about you, she and I have talked with each other outside of concerns that have to do with you. I will not join in with SB or Mystic or Freya or anyone on a “popularity” list of sorts and yet who I speak with does not make me two-faced. I am sorry you feel the way you do. I understand you have your reasons and I understand in part how you consider I disregarded your feelings/beliefs and for that I am sorry though I don’t expect you to recognize that feeling within me as being valid. I mean like with you it is liken onto a baseball game, three strikes and you are out, never minding it is only the 7th inning and the game is still being played. There is nothing that stops you from judging me and well, Yes, I certainly have my shortcomings and faults but daily I do strive to arise above the failures of my past on and move forward. I realize you choose not to accept me for the person I am for I am like the batter that swung out at the 3rd pitch. Does that make me any worse?? Well, the game is still being played...
SB I DID NO SUCH THING THAT IS A HUGE AND SCURRILOUS LIE why the bloody hell would I waste my time talking to you when we can do nothing but argue and the fact that you didn't have the sense to pm me and ask what is this in aid of is typical of your ignorant behaviour towards me almost from the start you have laid into me and I'm totally sick of your childish petty snide comments and your delusion that you can advise others not to answer or read my posts..I would like nothing more than to see a real and permanent end to the fighting, but yet again you seem hell bent on continuing with this witchunt..
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did it ever occur to you that someone here is logging in as me and sending you abusive mail hmmm? someone for instance from admin who would know my log in details because I can assure you no one else does...I did NOT send you abusive mail because quite honestly you are the last person I would bother with I only answer you here out of sheer boredom.....
SB. I can categorically state that I know absolutely nothing about this, its news to me and why may I ask did you believe this crap, without coming to me and saying is this true...its obvious you are trying to drive me away and this is your latest ploy I think its sick indeed....
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I dont suppose you have the nerve to post the address of this so called site, hmm we shall see if you have nothing to hide it shouldn't be a problem..
And I would like to know the IPS address for this individual because if it came from anywhere other than Scotland it couldn't possibly be me could it...
Well, not to pass any judgement on what the truth of the matter is here, because I don't know but if an individual hacked into goblin's account that individual is probably smat enough to use proxy servers and in fact anyone can use a proxy server and hence appear to be logging in from wherever in the world he/she wants to so basing judgements on IP addresses either way is kind ofhard to do. Unless the ip address is always the same from an individual, if, for instance, goblin has always logged iin with ip address "x" and the user account last night had that same IP address I really would have to say the odds are against him, if the IP addresses are different either he is using proxies or someone else is trying to make people believe it is him. If the email address and owhatever other personal info is availible for the other site matches that of goblin that means the same thing essentially, only someone able to break intohis personal account can see his personal info that is not public and use it to sign up on that site, furthermore if that site requires confirmation over email that individual also has to be able to break into his email account and, well, that would be quite a feat unless he uses the same password across well the board (pardon my punnyness <grin> this was absolutely not intended).
So, based on answers to all that one might make a judgement call. Not that I really care either way but I'm just saying it's not obvious to me whether he is guilty or not, definitely not beyond doubt and I really choose to remain completely objective in that judgement.
Goblin, I'd really advise you to change your password on your account though to prevent future abuse of it. In general, can Community Leaders see the individual passwords and account details or can only sys admin do so?
Thanks
-B
Absolutely and as no evidence is forthcoming from the prosecution, I have no choice, but to see that as an admission of guilt...if someone here is using my name to spread malicious crap on other sites that means that no one on this site is safe from hacking and we should do our best to find this sick fecker before they cause anymore damage
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Liam says he's heard rumours but wasn't forthcoming lets and Admin are silent which seems strange...even if I change my password it will still at risk each time I log on here...
Well, I don't think it can be both ways. I mean, I don't think you can have 100 percent free speech and friendly too. The 2 just cancel each other out. It has to be one way or the other. A less freedom of speech would be a more friendly welcoming environment, more freedom of speech means usually a less friendly welcoming environment. I think if people are verbally attacked, it's human nature to respond. I had to stop reading Goblins posts entirely, plus one other individuals' because if I read a persons' post where he or she is pickingon me, I'm just bound to respond with a piece of my mind. Now there are 2 kinds of people, there are people who start out having a bit of a go at you, who hope you're too timid or too meek to say anything back, but when you stand up to them once or twice, they leave you alone. Then there are the second kind, that Goblin fits into, who will keep on and on at yu each time you respond. If I kept reading, I'd keep responding, and eventually, that could become a huge huge topic. you all remember the topic police thing I started because someone was going at me for getting off topic. Well you know how that turned out with me and law lord.So I've dealt with both types, the type who leave you alone after you stand up to them once or twice, and the kind that hammer and hammer away at you. The only reason I'm responding to this topic is because I was one of the ppl who responded to stars' basic zone rules, must read. I don't think star has a go at people just for the fun of it, per se, for no reason at all, I think she only does it when she is justified, ie, giving the person a dose of his own medicine, and she does do it with humor. She said keep the rules coming, and that rule 12 just came to me, and I wrote it as I was thinking of it.
wonderwoman
First of all Freedom of Speech and Friendlines do not necessarily go hand in hand this is true.... Freedom Fighters for whatever the Issue is that is being fought for will in fact cause an upheaval, that is why the term Freedom FIGHTERS. To various ones here in order to have peace or in your terms “friendliness” then that means those present would need to agree with each other I take it..?? What if this site turned into a place with those all in favor of the teachings of Hitler with everyone else banned, after all if there is total agreement of persons then a friendliness would prevail among those ones left and thus peace but at what a terrible cost! Wonder, you and I have had many personal talks between us and the ONE time I said in attempting to clarify what another poster responded to you in attempting to bridge a gap you got all in a fuss about with me but how did I find this out??? You did NOT come to me personally or even in that particular Posting make your thots known, rather you left that set of Boards and came to this one complaining... that is how I found out. True we went on to further discuss that matter but I had to come to you. You could have came to me personally but No, you simply figured I was taking sides against you not realizing from where it was that I was coming from in my comments. Connie
Well, connie, you didn't write that comment about what she meant to me in private either, and I was not saying anything about you here. All I am saying is that people can disagree with each other in a friendly manner. Where in the above post did I say anything about you? when I said there are a couple of posters who messages I never read anymore, I was not reffering to you. Ifwant to communicate with Goblin after the way he has treated us, yourself included, that's your perrogative to do so. But given the fact that he has attacked several of our posts, it's understandable for people to feel as they do.
wonderwoman
Wonder, I am not talking about in this Post rather in this Set of Boards at the Zone. You come here bad mouthing how “bad” you were treated over at E2E… of how one sided with another and I was doing NO such thing and I told you how I was trying to help clarify what the other person was saying as you had just gone to Management over at E2E requesting more Ignore Features to be put into place. You are one that it appears can take no critism. As I coming to understand it there is NO Friendly way for a person to disagree with you or at least I have not found it, not when you simply run off. REMEMBER!!!!! You NEVER came to me telling me of your upset, you came here and that is where I found out and then I went to you about it. Wonder, again, if you want it all friendly, there is just that section here at the Zone with Safe Boards… And I was NOT mistreated by Goblin so stop reading your thots into what is or is not said, has or has not been shared between Alex and myself. I can not believe how sensative some folks are. Good thing that in life there are some like Alex or else no one would ever get toughtened up in life. If I have a complaint with Alex I will say so and same with others, always trying to rescu another. If you personallly don't like the way you are being treated by another then why not tell them yourself. Why get others to jump in defending you like with SB. I have not heard her complain how she felt mistreated by the comments Alex made about her and her family's relationship and yet others jump to her defense and take on I believe the battle that is not theirs to do. Connie
Connie I hear what you're saying in that it is sometimes not necessary for people to defend you against the hurtful words of others. And it is true that we do not necessarily need people to defend us, however, friends stick up for each other, it's what they do. After all, you stick up for Alex when people say things about him that you do not agree with? that's no different to my friends on here standing up for me over the things that Alex has said to, and about me. Friends do these things out of a sense of loyalty, and I would do the same for any of them 10 times over.
Now in the case about Caitilin, this is a situation that is brought up time and again. The only thing is it is used as a weapon against Alex and the thing is Caitlin apparently holds not grudges against Alex on this Post he made regarding her and her Posts. Matter of fact I remember talking with Caitlin on QuickNotes and she was desiring folks to log onto that Post because of all the “fun” she was experiencing from it. Now for me to use this issue of Caitlin as fuel against Alex I will not do so, not when there is not a problem between them and especially given that Caitlin enjoyed the attention of it all. And SB you still have not stated that you have a problem of Alex’s comments regarding you/your family relationship. I don’t know what the two of you discussed privately about you/your family and what lead him to make the comments he made. If you have a problem then I believe it is up to you to speak up first. You and others have mentioned “The Caitlin Issue” repeatly when in fact it is a NO Issue situation and just used to string along continuously complaints and bickerings. Besides "The Cailin Issue" other Non-Issues are brought up time and again therefore my thots are each needs to speak up for their ouw Issues giving anyone to know whether or not a situation is an Issue or a Non-Issue and using a Non-Issue only to add fuel to a fire that otherwise could be sorted out more readily. Connie
or to put another spin on that point. i have just as much right to say that in my opinion claire is a good mother to her child is alex does to say that she isn't! in fact i have considerably more right because i know claire personally where as he doesn't!
When considering who's in the wrong with regard to that particular argument it isn't the people that jumped to her defence more the person that started it with some very uncalled for comments in the first place.
On a more general note though I really think we should stop worrying so much about offending others and getting offended ourselves! We are all different people and we all have different views! That's just who and how we are. Quite aside from anything else! this would be a seriously dull place if we all agreed!
Connie, I know we have shared many a cappucino in the Heavenly Cafe but....come on, stop defending the Goblin you know it makes sense!!
connie the reason the caitlin topic has been brought up in past topics is because goblin constantly puts down other users for daring to criticise him, when he has, in actual fact, been guilty of the same thing, and the caitlin topic has been brought up as an example of that. As for the comments he has made against me and my son, nothing has been said in private between us about this, before we fell out, myself and Alex exchanged some private messages about a couple of things, but never did we talk in any depth about me, or my relationships ... etc. any comments he has seen fit to make have been purely him lashing out because i have dared to question what he posts, or have not agreed with something he has said, this is all freely visible on the public message boards, and yes, of course I have issue with the fact that he calls me a bad mother, the fact he says my son's father had a "feckin lucky escape", etc etc, but don't you think that enough bickering has been done already? in my view he was way out of line to say those things to me, and I have said as much, and that I do not have to justify myself to him, or anyone on here, as do none of the other users.
but having said that, I do not know alex personally and he does not know me personally either, so anything he says about me is purely based on opinion, and .. well you can only form so much of an opinion of someone you only know from text. I realize that you have this need to stick up for Alex, quite frankly I don't know why you do, considering he doesn't have much good to say about you, no offence intended to you cg, but only on friday he called you two faced and yet you still fight his corner. why do you put up with it.
Now Jx besides the Heavenly Café where cappuccino was shared there was also the Goth Shakespearen Café.... That was located if you remember at the base of the Trail leading to the Mt. of Doom where saved from Orcs only to destroyed by The Leader of the Ringwraiths in a mid-air battle I found myself.... I choose to stand my my thots that from Alex I have encountered only learning experiences…no matter how dark my demise.............................
but we all learn things from people, doesn't mean we have to accept that the treat us like dirt though. of course you can say that you have had positive exchanges with alex, there's nothing wrong with that and no one should take that away from you, but it doesn't mean you have to put up with being put down as well, you don't have to take the bad with the good.
SB I do not need you to tell me that I can say I have had positive exchanges with Alex, who are you, the New Face of Management who wants to tell folks what they may or may not say...???????????????
SB if you feel like you've been treated like dirt then by all means speak up. ....................and..............No matter how dark my demise........ you REALLY think that sounds like a “positive exchange?” I said I have learned from Alex. All sweetness, all Friendliness... No thanks, I prefer the bitter with the sweet. Tart adds its own zing as it were to life. My taste buds just can't handle alot of chocolate... too boring....
hey now, you all listen.... I have had a friend, since he is not a friend of mine anymore, but he tryed to get every sinle of my other friends in trouble. I loved him a lot (as a friend, of course) but now I had to think about it after all the annoying stuff he was doing, I decided not to trust him anymore... so, hey, sometimes you have to be strong but not rude, also be kind but not weak. Being rude doesn't mean to curse and all that, but it does mean to do something no matter what.... but sometimes you cannot do it... but also be kind. Do not go off your personality though, let you be yourself but at the same time don't be weak because you may be easily hurt in the future. And yes, not to be rude, but i agree, if someone is affecting others and they are warning you about it, cg, then don't be feeling bad aftr you fell on the same trap...
please don't take any ofense for this post....
thanks.
Lou, interesting that you said you decided not to trust a friend of yours anymore and what you had to go on was the comments of others to you about this person and how this friend of yours treated others. Maybe you should think how your friend treated you. Like if this friend was good to you and all of a sudden you took to mistrusting just on the advice of others, isn’t that a falling into a trap yourself??? Everyone affects others in one way or another or in several ways. Sorry that you were entrapped but as for me I am in no trap. To me there is no reason to take offense for you were simply sharing your thots. Connie
no connie I did not mean it to come across as if I was saying what you could and could not say, all i meant was, that anyone has the right to say whatever they want about who they want, just because others are negative about that person doesn't mean someone can't be positive about them.
lol. claire there's probably no point in explaining what you meant in your message! it was perfectly clear to me what you were saying but as we've discussed before privately! people on these boards just seem to read into things what they want! and not what is actually said! weather this is due to people just looking for an argument or a genuine lack of intelegents i really couldn't say! though i could hazzard a guess and that may well stir a few people up! grin.
.....This hypocritical preaching of yours SB directed towards me is really rather boring.....
CG, are you and I reading completely different messages or something? I don't think that we are some how! In that case I can draw only one other conclusion! You must be forgetting to take the same tablets that Alex is!
While as SB is only rather boring to me, you Harp are totally boring to me for you are simply SB’s “yes-person.” I have found you to have no interesting thots of your own at all…. Everywhere I read thought the various Posts it is, “I have to agree with claire,” Have you no mind of your own????? I know, I know, you have to go and talk this out privately with claire, I mean claire and SB are one and the same I take it? …boring…. I know, I know SB will preach to you telling you it is fine for you to be negative to me but no one dare be negative to SB or you or those of your “popularity” club else they should be removed. Then again, what can I say? I know! HYPOCRITES!
Guys I really like this website, but sometimes, like now, I wish I would just leave. Because there's only one topic on here.
Don't be silly, there are loads of topics, if you don't like the fighting...don't read it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i realise that this is a very difficult consept for you to grasp CG but, did it ever cross your mind that maybe my posts agree with claire/SB's because, i think she's in the right? believe it or not popularity isn't something that bothers me a great deal!
well done though for actually being able to work out that my posts have agreed with claire's thus far! going by your usual standards of understanding of what your reading which has proven to be difficult for you on more than one occasion that i've seen already! go to the top of the class.
anyway i'd love to stay and chat some more but i need to go and ask claire what to say next! lol
anyways... about my friend, hello? if he is trying to get others in trouble and tryed to do it once with me, besides he sometimes annoys me a lot and I don't even know why he has got to be in everybody's businesses... but thats not my point, I think sb is right as well...
This is quite AMAZING!!!! The Zone has existed for several years before Goblin joint it on Saturday 18 September 2004. Yeap, that is LESS than a year and in this short but intense time span our dearest Goblin has managed to be the center piece of more heated debates than all the postings in the years before his membership, has managed to turn against him more people than any other single member (even blindguy lacks this talent), and has managed to turn many members of the zones into either pro-Goblins or agaist-Goblins. For all Goblin's achievements in these meak 8 months as it is now 18 May 2005, I want to award him the "Most Hated Zoner Ever" Trophy! A grand applause every one!!! Yeap, we have all conspiring against you Goblin. This is a major conspiracy, we are all members of the Hate-Goblin cult that spreads across several continents, oceans included. Check your medications, cause I feel your manic paranoia is causing you severe illussions... Star
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*yawn* star, exactly the type of post I find just very very sad, not to mention that there's no need posting it in all the discussions you can think of .. be original plese.
Cheers
-B
Lol Harp! .. .. I knew I shouldn't dare ask this question! Lol
Don't worry, rd freak, it's not your fault. and as for me sticking to the safe haven board if I want everything friendly, well someone sort of got put down in a topic I started on what good are funerals, and I felt bad about it, since it was my topic, and i felt guilty about it, though if someone had put me down in a thread someone else started, I would've told them well if it wasn't your topic, it would've been someone elses, but it's different when it's your topic that someone gets shot down in. I haveasked my self the question, should I stay, should I go, and decided I'll stay as long as I can find a topic of interest to reply to, or as long as I can identify with a poster. I have posed a question or 2, and there are some very knowledgeable people on here.
wonderwoman
Why wildbrew, you don't like being reminded of some facts? Or is my posting boring because I came up with it and not you? Gee, I guess you find your own posting exciting and so very interesting... Give me a break! Star
hmm, when are we going to let this tread die...? I mean the topic went of the subject and line, (yes, I did it as well) but hmm, 97 posts already.... devating? should not there be a devating board?...
now 98 thanks :) Lol (oh and yes Lou, it had died, i thought til you decided to bring it to the top of the list again Lol hahaha
i know i'll probably get slammed for saying this, but this is how i feel. alex has been a great friend to me, and has been there for me when i needed him, so please stop ragging on him. believe it or not, he is a human being, he does have feelings, and though you may not agree with his views on some things, doesnt make it right for you to attack him. you people that are attacking him, are the immature ones, think before you speak, please?